Round and round and round and round and round...

Some folks are really unbelievable!!!

1. People want predictions framed in minimals mags, coords, dates and date windows...but then don't want it...

2. People want predictions framed as above and scored in a manner that does not bring in anyone's analytical bias...but don't want it...

3. Folks want evaluation discussions to be based somewhat in reality via observables and logic...but don't want minimal prediction controls/criteria that would lend the most to it on the front end...

In short...nothing is going to change...

Just picture Roger, JOB, Ara, Myself, and others arguing in an endless circle ad nauseum...

Having a registry that doesn't stick to the very basics and attempts to eliminate the obvious cherry picking avenues used by some isn't going to amount to much....even without scoring...because someone will question the value of such for allowing cherry picking / under the sun predictions...a database without controls has questionable value.

When I asked in the original thread, I asked for suggestions as to what I was proposing...criteria, objectives, measurables, windows without a "greed" aspect to them...

Instead I got ducks, non-answers, or "no one would want to participate...". Seems it is too difficult for most to say, "add couple days to the window" or "allow coords anywhere but limit radius or require min mag per radius" or "allow 50% score for a .10 miss in mag or a miss by a day"...

My experience has been the following with such behaviour:

1. It's tokenism...
2. It's an egotistical response - poked by the fact that someone stepped forward...
3. It's from someone who ego demands that ONLY they come up with ideas - thus instant polarization to anyone who agrees with them.

3 years ago, a hot potato existed at my old company...

For three years it passed around through the hands of Sr. SysAdmin several times...back into my hands each time. After three years, I finally got tired of them arguing and lamenting the need for automation of that hot potato...and got tired of them refusing to go with the basics...everyone wanted so much cotton candy and various mustard flavors that they couldn't even get to the starting gate...

So I went ahead...and did the basics with the hot potato with minimal controls and criterias...

It worked like a charm, and within 8 months the engineers had used the potato in excess of a million times and were happy as heck with no complaints. My team however was livid - even more livid that they couldn't unplug it...

Egos...that's how I'm calling it...

=8-)

One poster in the second thread has advocated sticking with the basics - which I tend to prefer...maybe he and I can get together...in a serious non-looping thread...

=8-)