I thought I would just post one file with responses to each of the notes posted by John, Chris, and Roger.

These are personal opinions.

The important question asks why this technology is not already in use. It would probably be difficult to formulate an exact answer for that question. However I can say from the responses to my “Statistics” note that this area of science appears to be so different than what people are used to studying that for a variety of reasons it is virtually incomprehensible.

In an earlier note I stated that perhaps the only way to deal with this problem would be to organize a workshop where I would present a talk on the subject matter and then sit there for a day and answer questions. That looks like it might be the only thing that would work short of writing a book on this. And that is not likely to happen.

That sun – moon position – earthquake triggering matter is absolutely the simplest application for this technology. And no one appears to really understand it. The routines that I use to process my precursor data are 10 to 100 times more complex with regards to the concepts behind them. And if the simplest application cannot be understood then there is no chance at all for the much more complex applications to be understood.

One of the things I am discussing with my international contacts is the establishment of a Web site which would focus on these topics or the expansion of some existing Web site. One section would be devoted to displaying drawings and data tables documenting these sun – moon – earthquake triggering effects. Researches around the world could work with the data and submit new discoveries for display at the Web site.

Funding for such an effort appears to be available. Bodies and time are needed to do the work. I myself am busy with other earthquake projects.

John,

You are making things too complicated. You are not seeing the forest for the trees as they say.

Those sun – moon position data simply say that when the sun and moon are near one another in the sky that preferential triggering effect for our most powerful earthquakes is easily observed. The data don’t say anything about what forces are responsible for that triggering effect. They could be anything, tides, gravity, whatever. That has yet to be determined.

You have to look at this from a probability perspective. 17 earthquakes should be a sufficiently large database that conclusions drawn regarding them are statistically significant. And if 60% of those earthquakes are occurring in a longitude difference range of only 20% of the possible longitude difference range you have to realize that this is telling you something important about earthquake triggering. Another important fact from that is that this is not just any 20% range. It is the range which is roughly centered around the point where the sun and moon are nearest one another in the sky.

Once you accept those observations as being highly important you can then move to the next step which is to try to explain why that selective triggering is taking place for those very powerful earthquakes. I think that it obviously has something to do with the sun and moon gravity. But as I said, exactly what force or forces are involved remains to be determined.

Chris,

One of the most frustrating things regarding doing this work has to do with the fact that it is so difficult to use logic to make advances. With any science that I know of, logic has to ultimately prevail. But it can only work if it is based on accurate assumptions or facts. And what is taking place here is still so complex that it is difficult to assemble a group of reliable facts which you can then use logic on. I have tried using logic and succeeded in some cases and failed in others. You have to have lots of data to evaluate so that you can see if your logic based theories etc. are accurate. And earthquakes do provide us with lots of data.

In this case that 180 degree based logic will not work. My original 360 degree numbers are correct. And there are at least two reasons for that:

(1) The moon gravity is more than twice as strong as the sun gravity. So if the moon is above 0 longitude and the sun is above 180 degrees longitude the situation is not the same for a fault zone at any given location as when the sun is above 0 and the moon is above 180. Similarly, if the moon is above 10W and the sun is above 10E it is a completely different situation from the moon being above 10E and the sun being above 10W.

(2) With the monthly rotation of the moon around the Earth, an observer in space might say that if you fix the moon in the same position in your reference frame, the sun approaches it from the east, moving a little closer each day. And after they are at the same location in the sky the sun then starts to move to the west of the moon.

As the sun approaches the moon from the east the combined gravitational pulls of the sun and the moon get stronger for the position on the Earth directly beneath the two of them. And that gradually increasing strength appears to somehow help trigger earthquakes. As the sun passes the Earth and moves to the west their combined strength decreases. And the triggering effect decreases as well. I have some excellent data on this.

That effect is not observed only when the sun and moon are near one another but also when they are on opposite sides of the Earth and 90 degrees apart in the sky. However the actual longitude symmetry of that triggering effect can be complicated.

So once again, you cannot reverse the positions of the sun and the moon here because of the changing value of their combined gravitational strength. You have to use the full 360 longitude degrees range.

Roger,

If you look at my 90-03 Web page, about half way down I have two drawings. The first shows the preferential triggering effect for the 17 most powerful earthquakes. The second shows how that effect looks when you start examining less powerful earthquakes.

The preferential triggering effect appears to decrease in value so rapidly as you go to lower magnitude earthquakes that if you look at them as a whole you cannot easily see how it works for the very powerful ones. And that is probably what you were seeing with your studies.

Another thing that my first large Wave Chart on that Web page demonstrates is the fact that you probably have to work with earthquakes which occurred after 1993. Earthquakes which occurred in the decades between perhaps 1950 and 1994 were prematurely triggered because of all of the high yield nuclear tests being conducted by governments around the world. As a result there were few or no really powerful earthquakes during that time to study. And if data from the years before 1994 are considered they might be artificially skewed and completely useless.

As I stated in response to Chris’s note, these data can be very deceptive. And at this point it can be risky to draw what would seem to be logical conclusions.

SUMMARY:

In my opinion this subject matter is extremely important. It appears to be so complex or whatever that it is virtually incomprehensible to people who I would expect should be easily able to understand it. And the workshop that I recommended might be the only way to deal with this. I am in the process of preparing a report for wide circulation which will attempt in part to get some people interested in holding one.