Re: Link to Terracycles
Posted by David Thomson on December 13, 2001 at 21:25:11:

>Have you compared the depth of the ocean to the radius of the earth?

Yes, but does that mean the oceans do not exist? What's your point?

>Now can you show that 12 hours is the resonant frequency of the earth?

Possibly, can you? Look at a bathymetric map of the ocean floor. Explain to me how billions of tons of water are not the explanation for the subduction zones around the entire Pacific Ocean.

As it happens, and I'm stunned that you're not aware of it, but there are 10km wave crests within the ocean. Forget about surface waves. These extra long waves are the result of daily tidal movement. Take a long wave and alter the wavelength until it resonates with the volume of the container and you can see some serious stuff. Every now and then, the sun and moon do line up in such a way as to alter these internal waves to cause freak surface waves, and possibly pressure nodes that beat down on the ocean floor.

>Baloney. What great quake did Tesla cause?
You can read the relavent portions at this book review...
http://www.optimalhosting.com/physics/21/Nikola_Tesla_Earthquake_Machine.htm

I'm not near my Tesla library right now, but I can pull up an exact date with references to newspaper articles from the time period if it becomes a major issue.

>>Given enough time with the correct solar and lunar declinations and the correct solar and lunar altitudes, the volume of the Pacific Ocean can oscillate in such a manner as to place excessive stress near the shores of the Pacific Ocean.

>Possibly as a weak trigger but not as a causative force.

Weak trigger? I thought you knew resonance? A weak trigger is all that is necessary. I didn't state, nor did I imply that the oceans moved the plates in leaps and bounds on a daily or millennial basis. And talk about weak triggers, how much energy is released by the oceans beating the plate boundaries every day compared to the amount of energy released by occasional earthquakes? Earthquakes are nothing more than shivers compared to the accumulated daily force exerted by the tides. And yes, internal earth convection adds significant energy to the plates. But have you done the math? Where does the internal energy come from to completely churn the earth's crust hundreds of times over through billions of years? There is no doubt, just on this observation alone, that the sun provides most of this internal energy.

If you add a drop of water at the right rate to the end of a 40 foot I-beam it may seem like a trivial force. But after a few hours that beam can be humming along with enough sound energy to generate electricity, all from a drop of water. Don't overlook the power of a trivial force when the force is applied over long periods of time.

>Generally true for the Pacific but not the Atlantic.

And this is exactly what I state. The Pacific covers nearly exactly half of the planet. The Pacific drives the tectonics of the planet since it is the largest and thus most energetic force.

>That sounds a little large but it is one of the driving forces.

A little large? How long do you think the South Pacific Ridge is?

>But it has nothing to do with the tides.

I see your conclusion, where is your reasoning?

>What makes you think I meant infrared? ANY energy.

You must have been thinking along the line of infrared. High energy frequencies can penetrate the earth instantly with lots of power when formed as longitudinal waves. This is what I mean about science not fully understanding everything. It is quite possible that, with the intense magnetic field of the sun and the consumption of 4 tons of matter into energy every second, exotic wave forms could be generated by the sun that directly impact the material at the center of the earth. But seismologists generally, not being particle physicists, wouldn't easily understand the connection.

>I seriously doubt it but as you say, I don't know enough about it to argue the point.

At least you're being honest. But this is where seismologists are hung up. Earthquakes are intricately related to particle physics and all other physical sciences. And this is not a broad generalization. It is a fact. Even algae ultimately affect earthquakes in some way. It is the cumulative effort, of all forces that cause the ground to shake at certain times. Earthquakes are not isolated events separate from the rest of the earth or the solar system.

Careful about blowing me off. As you now know, I have lots of patience and will demand as much in a response as I put into a proposition, especially from experts in the field.

I'm here for science, not to be treated as an outcast simply because I have new ideas.

Dave


Follow Ups:
     ● Re: Link to Terracycles - Roger Hunter  20:04:45 - 12/14/2001  (11955)  (2)
        ● Re: Link to Terracycles - bobshannon.org  22:45:48 - 12/14/2001  (11963)  (0)
        ● Tidal Forces According to NASA - David Thomson  21:31:56 - 12/14/2001  (11958)  (2)
           ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - Canie  22:42:58 - 12/14/2001  (11962)  (1)
              ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - David Thomson  23:11:57 - 12/14/2001  (11966)  (2)
                 ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - Roger Hunter  15:02:51 - 12/15/2001  (12007)  (1)
                    ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - David Thomson  22:55:11 - 12/15/2001  (12046)  (1)
                       ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - Roger Hunter  07:44:02 - 12/16/2001  (12057)  (0)
                 ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - 2cents  03:29:52 - 12/15/2001  (11975)  (1)
                    ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - David Thomson  07:32:37 - 12/15/2001  (11988)  (1)
                       ● Re: Tidal Forces According to NASA - Roger Hunter  14:30:23 - 12/15/2001  (12005)  (0)
           ● Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - Billion Watts  22:34:54 - 12/14/2001  (11961)  (1)
              ● Re: Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - Canie  07:27:46 - 12/15/2001  (11985)  (2)
                 ● Re: Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - Roger Hunter  19:21:44 - 12/15/2001  (12029)  (2)
                    ● Re: Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - David Thomson  22:57:22 - 12/15/2001  (12047)  (0)
                    ● Re: Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - Canie  21:27:01 - 12/15/2001  (12033)  (0)
                 ● Re: Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - David Thomson  07:42:32 - 12/15/2001  (11989)  (2)
                    ● Re: Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - Canie  16:19:48 - 12/15/2001  (12015)  (0)
                    ● Re: Actually, Lowell's backed up many of Dave's points - 2cents  13:06:48 - 12/15/2001  (12003)  (0)